We have to act in the interest of the Nation. The D's want Roberts to add a veneer of respectability to their farce. They crossed the Rubicon weeks ago. Reagan before them. I really thought they would stop at lowering the impeachment bar to just passing a bill. I take it that Senator Leahy will be wearing judicial robes for the occasion. They're going to get together and declare him guilty and try to bar him from ever running for office again. Good Lord. Scene one was the bizarre parade of black-masked democrat politicians solemnly marching over to the Senate. – A moving man. The first is whether Trump is guilty. As the Articles of Impeachment themselves show, Trump is charged precisely as president. Otherwise it's not an impeachment trial which conforms with the Constitution. How many government employees have been made to feel bad by something Trump said about them. This.If Leahy commits this act that is an abuse of power will he, should he, be impeached? Constitution – Article I, Section 3, Clause 7 – puts two questions before the Senate when it says, "Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States." I understand why Trump opponents want to proceed against him anyway, but I don't think it will go very well for them.You are probably right, but I don't care. – He saw his inner light though – and just kept going, until he did find the light at the end of the tunnel so to speak, and did achieve a position as a respected philosopher then. The fact is, I'm angry. (President Trump has not been impeached twice. And the requested relief is precisely removal from office.Cases are tried on the pleadings.I know that things like the law are no longer fashionable, but if we are going to claim to do this to uphold the law, we should at least follow it to some extent.I know that frauds like Pelosi and Schumer and, yes, Romney don't give a shit about the law and about the facts, but there it is.The charges against Trump, "President of the United States," are facially deficient against Trump, private citizen. They'll have their fake trial with a fake result and their propagandists will hound anyone who dares question it. Ducks by skipping?!! 4 impeachments, 4 acquittals, I see no circumstance in which a President will ever be removed at this point. And how could they NOT ask? .”1913. it's missing an equally amazing photoshop. "The argument must be that Trump is no longer the President of the United States, therefore there's no role for the Chief Justice. Although my version is correct, it is also unfortunately open to ambiguity. I'd like to put it on the front page. In Canada the pm has to have the queen of England's approval. His lifetime Secret Service protection? Published January 26 ... John Roberts ducks the spotlight by skipping the second Trump impeachment trial. With Roberts bowing out, and an "impartial" Leahy taking his place, this latest impeachment exercise is straight out of Karl Marx: "History repeats itself: first as tragedy, second as farce." You could respond to my arguments, but you won’t. Surely the Senate's power to disqualify cannot be so easily evaded? Over at the Volokh Conspiracy, there are some posts explaining that these two things can both be correct: (1)that the Senate has the constitutional authority to try a former president, but (2) that the Chief Justice can/must preside only over a trial of a current President. Larry Tribe of Harvard Law was on CNN. Thanks Achilles. Texit: Why and How Texas Will Leave The Union [Miller, Daniel, Griffing, John] on Amazon.com. When he presides, it's because he must, and when he refrains, it's because he must. The law is what I say it is, said Stephen VI. You have just defined courage: doing the "right thing" even if it "will not go well for you. It’s not attainder because it’s a judgment on an act of the house which was perfectly legal. Can the House impeach and the Senate try George Washington? It’s time to be cynical. Unfortunately, it means that impeachment is a purely political act, and every impeachment thus far has been political. LOL.Larry Tribe gets a big fat F from DDB from the low rated Creighton Law School. The actual text is "When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside. On a purely legal level, the best move would be to pass a resolution instructing Roberts to try the case, right? That is the consequence of telling lies that lead to violence and lawlessness. But before you answer I am obligated to explain to you, if the answer isn't the same name for both questions, I wont be visiting the Senate. "To punish Trump and his supporters for defeating Hillary in 2016.It seems so unfair to have Leahy presiding, and it's going to look hyper-partisan to people, especially to the 74 million Americans who voted for Trump.More unfair and hyper-partisan than the impeachment in the first place? "Shall" == "must" == "required"You can not remove someone from office if they aren't in it2: An "Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States" is an appointed office, not an elected one.The claimed purpose of this impeachment is to keep Trump from running for President again. Althouse tries to get her news from CNN? In June, Chief Justice Roberts was the deciding vote allowing LGBT rights to be shoehorned into the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Reprinted with permission. "It's a trick: they'll remove a president from office, let Biden see it on TV, and he'll take the train back to Wilmington."LOL. . The question no one seems to have asked: does Leahy think he can preside over the trial as a 'neutral' judge and then vote to convict as a member of the Senate? "President Trump repeatedly issued false statements asserting that the Presidential election results were the product of widespread fraud and should not be accepted";2. So no impeachment. Texit: Why and How Texas Will Leave The Union There now seems to be 3 types of people.1) Current Presidents who can be impeached via a Trial Presided over by the Chief Justice and removed from office.2) Private Citizens and Congressman who can't be impeached or forbidden from holding office.3) Ex-Presidents who can be impeached and forbidden from holding office without the Chief Justice presiding over a trial. Donald John Trump thus warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States. What's to prevent them from impeaching and trying him every six months till he dies?Private citizens can't be forbidden by Congress from running for office. "It seems so unfair to have Leahy presiding"Now they've done it: Althouse gives up cruel neutrality. So Chuck, who is the President, and who are you looking to convict. The easy out is to say the impeachment is moot, because Trump is out of office. This was passed by the House with 2 hours debate and only 10 R's voting for it. And even if Romney defects, won't Sinema and Manchin at least think about whether they want this to go forward? Ann, can Trump take a writ to SCOTUS? I've violated all these principles, and more, in recent days. I'm… On January 6, 2021, pursuant to the 12th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Vice President of the United States, the House of Representatives, and the Senate met at the United States Capitol for a Joint Session of Congress to count the votes of the Electoral College. Vice President? )In meantime the GRIM REAPER is being seated and his decades of non action and obstruction coming to a stifle.We'll see if Democrats learned lessons of 2009 where Obama believed he could relate with Repubs,,,WRONG.....good movie got to get some more popcorn..the South is on the run and Grant is chasing them..where have I seen this movie before.My wager no conviction,repubs just wont do it,,barred from office 60-40...Meantime Joe pumping up the jams,where the heck is my $1400.00 ? I suspect he thinks he can do exactly that, though anyone not blinded by partisan hate can see that you can't serve as judge and member of the jury in the same case. None of the secret Star Chamber rulings. Then I'd guess he'd have standing to challenge the whole charade in Federal court. Rules are made so corrupt democrats can abuse them. Final Comment. Make a 1-time donation or set up a monthly donation of any amount you choose: Did Chief Justice John Roberts decline to preside over the Senate trial of the Trump impeachment? You're not paying him, dip. Pope Formosus did not reply silence, acquiesced. The question is how many of the Republicans take the bait. Resolution impeaching Donald John Trump, President of the United States, for high crimes and misdemeanors.Resolved, the Donald John Trump, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors and that the following article of impeachment be exhibited to the United States Senate:Article of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of the people of the United States of America, against Donald John Trump, President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors.ARTICLE 1: INCITEMENT OF INSURRECTIONThe Constitution provides that the House of Representatives "shall have the sole Power of Impeachment" and that the President "shall be removed from Office on Impeachment, for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." Taking on a role that is not yours under the Constitution is an abuse of power. Republicans, even the vacuous Mitt Romney, must have an inkling that a vote for conviction hinging on Republican votes would finish off the Republican Party for good and all. This is insane! Until just before House impeaches?And if a resigned official can be convicted and disqualified by the Senate, why should one whose term has expired be any different? It has absolutely no meaning, and lawyers did that. Claim: Chief Justice John Roberts and Ghislaine Maxwell are pictured together. I write only to clarify one point about the role the Supreme Court will likely play in this impeachment mess. I believe Roberts' refusal to preside clearly indicates that he thinks the proceeding is illegitimate. If Trump is not being tried for impeachment as a President, requiring the Chief Justice to preside, how is this not a bill of attainder? His pension? Trump could still run for President, because he wasn't impeached from being President, and he could serve 8 years because he's not a Former President. . The only question is whether 17 R traitors will join them. Jay dubHappy to oblige. The upshot is you are just outing yourself again as a dishonest piece of shit who is too stupid to link to actual arguments or points.You instead sink down into a dream world where you destroy arguments nobody is making and call people "Trumpkins." No wonder they all hate Tulsi.Yes, she's taken steps, albeit baby steps, to walk away from the democratic/dictatorial duality. Also a no-no under our Constitution. There, he reiterated false claims that "we won this election, and we won it by a landslide." You ass.If Ken B posts some stupid self referential lying bullshit where he makes up a straw man and uses that to call people names I am going to point it out. Trump is a private citizen. No Trumpkin has presented here a cogent argument either way on the issue. “It would be a terrible comment about Chief Justice Roberts if he was making decisions based on a personal dislike of President Trump,” Bauer observes, “and, of course, the worrisome thing would be if there are disputes related to the election.”. They intend to kneel on the necks of the Deplorables and impose their socialist paradise on all of us.I suppose some will find it boring. Trump will not be convicted. Pealosi should be ridiculed to tears. It would be finally cleansing, historic justice. What conflict of interest would she have? He's been using his own security along with the Secret Service for four years, and can easily do without the latter, as he did for many years before he was elected, so he's not necessarily being subsidized in that way. Claim: A photo shows Chief Justice John Roberts swimming with Bill Clinton on Jeffrey Epstein's private island. But wich OFFICIAL? Its like having a member of the prosecution team doubling as the Judge. This is a big deal. An official can't dodge the move to disqualify him or her from holding future office simply by resigning — as Secretary of War William Belknap did in 1876, knowing he was about to be impeached by the House. I begin to fear for the objectivity of CNN. YH is right, they've all gone insane.They may be old farts and past their prime, and maybe even insane, but I doubt they're behind this. Why the operation to assassinate Kennedy was most likely a conspiracy ran by CIA officers Richard Helms and Ted Shackley at the operational level, with LBJ, the Rockefellers, John McCone, Allen Dulles and others involved at a higher level. He also willfully made statements that, in context, encouraged — and foreseeably resulted in — lawless action at the Capitol, such as: "if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore." 3 leader. "Leland said..."There will be a tat. And not specifying whether Roberts has declined requests to speak with the Senate or whether only from her - why I can hardly credit that this story passed CNN's editors, known to be sticklers for precision in all matters regarding Trump. Then should they convict, challenge the constitutionality since being out of office, the Senate cannot impose the required penalty of removal, so how could they move to the discretionary penalty of disqualification. Shouldn’t Sen. Leahy also be the prosecutor and defense attorney? . I bet they are. The only lawful and constitutional result is summary dismissal. "Will Leahy be costumed in his horned animal skin shaman outfit? Let’s get back to the article. Kutcher, 42, replied to a tweet Grace wrote believing the show's Tanya Roberts … This issue is specifically mentioned in the Constitution:Constitutional bansExcerpt from Article One, Section 9 of the United States Constitution, prohibiting the passing of bills of attainderThe United States Constitution forbids legislative bills of attainder: in federal law under Article I, Section 9, and in state law under Article I, Section 10. I see what you did there. Why it matters: ... Everyone endorsing this process of using an impeachment against someone after they leave office is endorsing an endless tit for tat based upon which political party holds power. I suppose if the left can make up some bullshit 'Office of the President Elect,' they can make up some bullshit 'Office of the Former President' and convict on those grounds.They're making up everything else. Roberts not needed because trump no longer in office. It follows that the President, who is an elected official, is not an "officer of the United States.". You must be logged in to post a comment. Left Bank of the Charles said..."Trump can still be removed from the Office of Former President,…"Blogger FullMoon responded..."So, the idea is that Trump can no longer be a former president. Lets say, the D''s impeach Trump and fail. "That would be great. Way to go Unify Joe! I am a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for me to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Like when the last time we had a Democrat President with all those 'signing statements' and such. The actor Tanya Roberts died from a urinary tract infection that developed into sepsis, an outcome that is more common than realized, especially among older women, doctors say.. 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